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Permalink Reply by Matt Sprouse on May 25, 2011 at 5:22am

I have to say I have been very disappointed over the years with ASLA and what I get as a member in return.  I am a big advocate for the profession and have carried that torch, but the value of being able to use 'ASLA' after my name has diminished greatly.  I still use 'RLA' or 'Landscape Architect' because of my licensure, because I feel it denotes a professional achievement, responsibility and reputation that I carry and with which I operate my practice.    I know ASLA is more than a magazine and convention organizer, but I realized over the last 2 years (of recession) that the $400-$500 I was spending on membership for both national and state dues could be utilized in other, more professionally relevant ways. Instead of that money spent on dues, I attend more locally hosted conferences that are usually more relevant and interesting than national meetings.  I did enjoy the travel of the ASLA meetings, but in these economic times, I can do a lot more with the $1500 it takes to go to one.

 

I may one day rejoin ASLA, but many things will need to happen before then.  I don't think I will ever put those four letters after my name again, though.

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Permalink Reply by Jon Quackenbush on May 25, 2011 at 5:30am

What is the issue here?  Being a member of the ASLA does not equal a professional license, not even close.  I can't fault them for trying to get as many members as possible as well.

I have no real opinion here on their ability / inability in investing in the quality of the professionals.  What would you like to see from them?  Would you like to see them keep out all unlicensed professionals, or must we have a separate distinction for the ASLD?

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Permalink Reply by Eric Gilbey on May 25, 2011 at 5:45am

I think the issue of licensure for full members (or not) is still yet to be decided. Though several States have polled their members and board for an opinion to take to their Trustees, several opinions exist on either side... but to answer your question about relevancy, I would maintain that you would be hard pressed to find another professional association that advances the work of landscape architecture more than ASLA. From national efforts, like meeting with national legislators last week, seeking support on several House and Senate bills up for consideration, which would help provide more work for landscape architects in areas of transportation, green infrastructure and complete streets, and others that promote better stewardship of our environment. Also in State efforts, where within just a few days, the Florida Chapter of ASLA rallied its members and non-member LAs to challenge a bill within their state legislature that would have removed landscape architects from the list of professionals that require licensure for practice.

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Permalink Reply by Jon Quackenbush on May 25, 2011 at 5:55am

I would maintain that you would be hard pressed to find another professional association that advances the work of landscape architecture more than ASLA. From national efforts, like meeting with national legislators last week, seeking support on several House and Senate bills up for consideration, which would help provide more work for landscape architects in areas of transportation, green infrastructure and complete streets, and others that promote better stewardship of our environment.

Based on that alone it would be foolish to prevent non-RLA's from ASLA membership.  We all work in the same field, albeit with differing levels of responsibility and experience.  However when the economy goes south, we all suffer equally.  If by having more members increases their ability to be advocates then it makes complete sense to allow all-inclusive membership.

That bill in Florida will be a nightmare and a huge setback for the profession.

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Permalink Reply by Jason T. Radice on May 25, 2011 at 7:13am

The local chapters also are a contact point with legislators in your state, and assist to define what parts of practice and LA can or cannot stamp. It is needed because of the vastly more well represented architect and engineer lobby who would just prefer we go away so they get all the work. There is even a fight between ARCHITECTS and ENGINEERS in Texas right now, with engineers claiming that since they do the structure of a buildings, they should be able to stamp full blown architectural plans. This infighting of allied professions shows just how serious it is getting in this economy for revenue. As Eric has stated, ASLA has been right there defending the practice where it has been challenged, and worked very hard for years to finally have either a title act or practice act in ALL 50 STATES. That is not to be taken lightly.

 

With my chapter (of which I am a board member), we are the primary point of contact for the state licensing agency, and we have been been working with them to query and develop a continuing education system for the RLAs of the state, like all other professions they regulate.  

 

Could ASLA do more? Certainly, but ASLA has come a loooong way from what it had been just a few years ago with a small staff and a comparitively small budget.  I agree that this "inclusiveness" issue is troubling. Having non-licensed LAs being full members (and using ASLA at the end of their name) makes having the designation less professional. You MUST be licensed to use AIA at the end of your name, same should hold true for LAs. I think that diluting the moniker may lead to more people who ARE full members leaving. Keep in mind, many LAs don't belong either because they are starting out and don't have the cash to for a membership, or are don't see the value of membership and what ASLA actually does for them behind the scenes to allow them to practice. If you want to be a full member, suck it up and get your license. I don't care what you do, if you are qualified, you should get licensed, no excuses.  

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Permalink Reply by Jordan Lockman on May 25, 2011 at 8:01am

I am struggling with where the $400ish dollars I was spending is going? What is the benefit for paying this fee? I want to sign up again, but I can't get my wife to let me spend the crazy amount of money on the fee.

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Permalink Reply by Rick Spalenka on May 26, 2011 at 12:47pm

With the option to have it debited monthly it's no different than a phone or sattelite TV bill.  What's more crazy?  You earned your way into a great profession (when things go right) so being a member of it's professional organization is really not too much to ask.

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Permalink Reply by Alan Ray, RLA on May 25, 2011 at 2:13pm

Since 1970 I have been aware of ASLA's so called mission to educate the public about landscape architecture. I was a full member for 15 years+or-..I don't even want to know what I spent....My wife would probably chide me for such wasteful folly...I was a believer though and bought the hype......still would like to be...

Today in 2011, I still find that the general public is as ignorant as ever as to our work....I see absolutely zero advancement

in public awareness in these 41 years so I am very dissapointed in the lack of results...after all, how much are they taking in now annually in dues? You dues payers should be livid.....oh well, you did get our favorite Tennessee son and huckster alGore to give the keynote address a year or two ago in SF...that must have been a real snooze fest....

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Permalink Reply by Chupacabra on May 25, 2011 at 3:05pm

Actually, Al Gore didn't show up.  They interviewed Lawrence Halprin instead, so it wasn't so bad.

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Permalink Reply by Alan Ray, RLA on May 25, 2011 at 4:32pm

Great!

I would have paid to see Halprin!

that turned out much better that I thought.

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Permalink Reply by Chris on May 25, 2011 at 6:47pm

ASLA and LEED should get together!

 

add a bunch of letters after your name with no meaning.

 

I'm RLA and proud of that...worked hard to get it.  Sometimes I'm asla, sometimes not...NEVER have I put ASLA after my name though.  means nothing other than I can pay some dues.  I do like the magazine though.

 

neither deals with health, safety and wellfare really...

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Permalink Reply by Matt Sprouse on May 26, 2011 at 5:38am

I have to agree about the lack of a real public awareness campaign about landscape architecture.   Granted we are a much smaller group than, lets say, AIA, but how often do architects and engineers have to explain what they do professionally? Several years ago, I was watching a PBS show and AIA was a sponsor.  Their add was extraordinary.  A few weeks later, I saw a similar AIA add on CBS' Sunday Morning.  When was the last time I head the professional name "landscape architect" on general public or broadcast TV?  Believe it or not - The Simpsons!     We have a long long way to go in educating the general public on what we do.  

 

If I felt that ASLA dues were going into a broad reaching campaign to educate the public (and future clients) about landscape architecture, I might consider joining again.  

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