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Permalink Reply by Rob Halpern on December 19, 2012 at 3:39am

I believe Roland is right... look to the sedges.

The moss may be simply a result of acid soil that is compacted.

Analyze the situation and get a better understanding of soil, sun, etc to match the plant. Don't neglect the effect the pavers themselves and the necessary substrate will have on the situation

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Permalink Reply by Rob Halpern on December 19, 2012 at 6:29am

I should mention that I am a horticulturist, not a L.A., so I approach it from that perspective.

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Permalink Reply by mark foster on December 26, 2012 at 3:12pm

From a growing media perspective, I have found the plastic pavers (i.e. "grass pave") perform better than the concrete ones.  Some of this may be due to the lime leaching out of the concrete (especially at first).  It also seems that the concrete pavers cause the medium to dry out more quickly--probably acting like a wick.

The only drawback to plastic is it is sometimes too successful--the grass completely grows over the grid and makes it indistinguishable from lawn.  We usually line the edges of the parking to delineate it if we suspect this to be the case.  

A year ago, we installed a "light use" grass parking area (used for once every month or two) using nothing more than 50% topsoil/50% rounded river stone (1"-2 1/2 diameter) in a 6" lift on native soil.  So far, this has been very successful, but it may be too early to declare complete victory, and will probably only work in clay soils which have good compaction/bearing capacities.

Also, if you choose a paver, take the specs with a grain of salt-- If you follow the entire profile (rock, sand, soil cloth, sand/soil mix), it may be able to sustain a fire engine, but it turns the growing medium into something more akin to a golf course green-- which requires much irrigation.

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Permalink Reply by Jordan Lockman on December 27, 2012 at 8:56am

I am in Minnesota so I do not know specific plants for Atlanta. Generally Moss is not a terrible idea if it grows naturally. I always try to work with what the site gives me instead of forcing my design to fit the conditions. So if the site gives you shade with moisture maybe moss is great. If the site is more open to sun, there are grasses that work great in little used areas with grass pave or the like.

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Permalink Reply by Boilerplater on December 30, 2012 at 3:34pm

The use of synthetic turf isn't a bad one.  Its hard to get much of anything to grow around those planatable blocks in hot climates because the blocks retain the sun's heat and the soil just gets baked. When I was in Las Vegas, we used synthetic turf between pavers.  Hotlanta gets almost as hot, but of course its a wetter climate.  In your case it is apparently wet and shady enough to support moss, so you could take steps to improve the conditions for moss with misters and soil acidifiers.

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Permalink Reply by Andrew Garulay, RLA on December 31, 2012 at 3:51am

A great concept and philosophy at some point is affected by situational reality.It sounds easy until you actually have to do it. Then you find out why tings get built the way they do.

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Permalink Reply by Ann English on January 1, 2013 at 12:24pm

Hi JA -

If you want a pervious surface, first figure out if the water, once it is through the surface, will be soaking in or flowing along just under the surface -- you can look at this website to see how permeable pavement bases typically work: http://ncsu.edu/picp/.  Since you will be parking over the space for long periods of time, using a PICP type approach (ie non-vegetated but pervious) makes the most sense. You could design the base per PICP and then modify the materials for the top, making sure you have spaces between your pavers and filling between the pavers with washed # 8 or # 9 stone.   The lack of fines is critical. You should do a perktest too to deterimine if it can actually soak into the surrounding (clay) soil or if you need to have an underdrain to let the water out after it has been filtered by the pavement system.   I would suggest that you check out Bruce Ferguson's book on permeable pavements too.

Moss indicates a compacted acidic site (not too surprising in Atlanta).  

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