April 13, 2011 at 7:23 pm #163815
You think women who are suing Wal-mart are paid less because they are ‘timid’? And it seems you actually don’t think they are even paid less..
wow. welcome to your own anecdotal world, divorced from statistics or reality.. do you know what the Lucy Ledbetter decision was? Read up on it, and how the Supreme Court denied her, and on what grounds, for starters..
just calling women timid is a bunch of bs..Women are not timid..just like gays are not discriminated against because they are ‘timid’. They are discriminated against because they are gay. Mathew Shepheard was killed because he was gay..no other reason!
man. Not only do we need classes in history and civics, but we need mandatory classes in reality. Do you think 90 million prescriptions were covered by health care for viagra because it is something men need, while womens abortions are being increasingly restricted because they don’t need them? do you also believe the moon is made of cheese? Or tax cuts lead to increased jobs?
ridciculous. You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts, as they say, altho repubs do think facts (and math) have a liberal bias.April 13, 2011 at 7:37 pm #163814
this link has been posted TWICE on this site..try to read it..And if you t hink the construction industry is different than the landscape architecture business, you must be some kind of IT guy and never have to go out on a site..How can you even work in the field without spending a significant portion of your time with construction..I geuss if you do rendered plans for planning board review, maybe that is it..even connecting ‘gardening’ with the women in landscape architecture is insulting..April 13, 2011 at 7:58 pm #163813Tanya OlsonParticipant
There are no women-owned LA firms in my state. Mine will be the first when I get licensed later this year.April 13, 2011 at 8:31 pm #163812Jason T. RadiceParticipant
Interesting article on perceived wage disparity from the Wall Street Journal…and deeper explaination as to why you can’t trust vague statistics without knowing how the numbers were arrived at…April 13, 2011 at 9:11 pm #163811Craig AnthonyParticipant
Now you’re just being silly Trace.
- I’m not calling all women timid. I’m calling out timid people as being, well… timid.
- I’m not talking about gays, blacks, Asians, civics, erectile dysfunction, astronomy, tax cuts, health care, republicans or anything else you touched upon.
- I never said discrimination didn’t exist.
I have been subjected to discrimination my entire life. I just don’t use it as an excuse for not getting what I want. I push through it.April 13, 2011 at 9:19 pm #163810
or who is doing the writing, Jason – Rupert Murdoch, aka, “The Wall Street Journal” has never been known for his allegiance to facts. sorry, bro, that is one source I will never even read anymore – it is like listening to FOX news – same owner, same bias, and lack of allegiance to truth..
and Craig ,you were calling timidity the reason for being left behind..Sorry, again, bro..sometimes it is just the cigar that gets you the light. (hm..just made that up..).April 13, 2011 at 9:22 pm #163809
oh, yes, nrschmidt, donald trump worked harder than all of us..NOT! Yes, money talks, but not for Meg Whitman..I have actually had to think about Hilary Clinton’s cleavage, because the reporters were focusing on it..gack!!! female reporters, at that..April 13, 2011 at 9:31 pm #163808
Discrimination exists – if you don’t look at it, you can’t fight it..There are many subtleties and permutations of discrimination that are being, have been, and will continue to be, teased out in our society, and that have been fought against over time, and won and lost..
but it exists, and will continue to exist, and continue to be a worthy subject of conversation. Denying it is false. Calling it over is totally false.
and it may exist in your life to a different extent than in the next persons. But the entire bill of rights was written to protect the human rights of minorities in a population, and to say that equality is a done deal – just completely unrealistic..
It will never be a done deal.. and right now, in america today, the white men still got it and are working in congress right now,today, to keep it for themselves alone.April 13, 2011 at 9:44 pm #163807Andrew Garulay, RLAParticipant
? How do you get that from what I just wrote? Two questions – one asking why Tanya is alone on this and another asking whether there are a lot of women in the profession out there.
… followed by an explanation that women do participate, are expected to participate, and lead where I live …and no one is taken aback by it.
Why do you want to twist that into something else?April 13, 2011 at 10:04 pm #163806
that WSJ article was really annoying – typically stating ‘facts’ that were really bias (women want easier jobs?? what about mentoring and the availability of childcare..??)…thanks but no thanks..April 13, 2011 at 10:34 pm #163805Tanya OlsonParticipant
fashion humor appreciated! hahahaApril 13, 2011 at 11:44 pm #163804Jason T. RadiceParticipant
Don’t dismiss the article because it was in the Journal. The Wall Street Journal is the most repected business publication in the US, and the WOMAN that wrote the article heads up a 5010(c)(3) who promotes independent womens business issues. I’m sure YOUR statistics are irrefutable.
The point in posting was to broaden prosepectives, and that there are plausible explanations for the ignorant blanket “sexist” issues caused by old stereotypes and bad stats.
I acknowledge the existence of blantant sexism in our profession, I used to work at a ‘boys club’ firm, and have close friends who have suffered from inappropriate behavior in the workplace. It sucks, and there is no excuse for it. Be thankful you are in LA, because if you were an architect or in medicine, it would be ten times as worse. It is part of the old-school generation that hopefully will be retiring/passing on sooner than later. But on the other hand, I have been the victim of reverse sexism and racism for the sake of “diversity”. Anybody who has gone to a university has. And that only leads to resentment and animosity further down the road.
I am in favor of blind review/hiring for positions and base it soley on performance. When dealing with the boys club, it takes time. Especially if you are young, you have to PROVE yourself and be a bit forceful and strong.April 14, 2011 at 1:30 am #163803Craig AnthonyParticipant
Yes! Left behind if you’re a timid man or woman.April 14, 2011 at 3:24 am #163802Alan Ray, RLAParticipant
Do your best work at all times and you will be finally respected. Don’t ever expect anyone to give you anything, ever……Give your best effort at everything you do….regardless of the situation you find yourself in.
I have had male and female employees….The only thing that mattered to me was talent and the ability to communicate in a respectful manner.
I do not care about your political agenda, sexual orientation, race, religion or anything else that makes your brand of suffering worse than any/everyone else….Do good work and everyone else will have to recognise it! I have worked as the senior LA for one of the largest A/E firms in the nation and I’ve worked alone. This is what I’ve observed in over 37 years in the profession….Also, the sooner you can become self-employed, the sooner you will find your profession rewarding. You can only control your environment when it is your environment……April 14, 2011 at 11:44 am #163801
I disagree, I think since Murdoch bought the WSJ it should be completely written off – just can’t trust it anymore.Just look at the articles they put on the front page – completely biased…But of course, my old grey darling the NYT has been seriously compromised as well – refusing to call torture torture, Judith Miller and the Iraq War cheerleading, or the last spat, regarding the rape in Texas, where the 11 year girls attire was described as being an issue…..sad..NPR is practically useless..
And having a woman write something like that is typical..Makes one blind to the words. like Phyllis Schlafley leading the anti-ERA charge..
The only solution to finding the truth is to read often and widely..The Guardian, BBC, and Propublica still retain some integrity.
But to have guys on this site saying discrimination is over – !
women and gays in the army – need I say more on that topic..
I think we need to go in the direction of giving animals equal protection to humans – we need an animals bill of rights..But the white men in congress have decided to kill the few remaining wolves, despite scientific evidence that they need to be protected..
I really just wanted to stick up for Tanya..That’s a good woman there, and when she’s fed up, we need to help her!
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