Land8 | Ben Yahr | Activity https://land8.com/members/benyahr/activity/ Activity feed for Ben Yahr. Thu, 09 Apr 2026 15:38:51 +0000 https://buddypress.org/?v=6.0.0 en-US 30 hourly 2 3428211f55c96f136c44f156ec942d6e Ben Yahr's profile was updated https://land8.com/activity/p/42888/ Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:59:55 +0000 0 f60087aac501acc6e4ee1e50f1f0f77f Ben Yahr replied to the topic Need help with GIS data conversion to NAD83 in the forum TECHNOLOGY https://land8.com/forums/topic/need-help-with-gis-data-conversion-to-nad83/#post-153214 Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:00:25 +0000 Try Corpscon-
http://www.agc.army.mil/Missions/Corpscon.aspx

]]> 0 dca6c8d408993478a95b9df31bf65cdf Ben Yahr replied to the topic Landscape design toys for 11 yr olds ? in the forum STORY BOARD https://land8.com/forums/topic/landscape-design-toys-for-11-yr-olds/page/2/#post-153320 Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:53:39 +0000 A sandbox!

]]> 0 f059eb2af4beab85334c22dd888213f4 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Why don't professors teach more AutoCAD in schools? in the forum TECHNOLOGY https://land8.com/forums/topic/why-dont-professors-teach-more-autocad-in-schools/page/3/#post-153806 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 15:21:14 +0000 Professors do teach AutoCad in schools – tech schools.  Are we trying to raise a new generation of landscape architects or cad monkeys?  The old model of designers and draftsmen is dead (or should be), but the endless discussions of cad/rendering/bim/photoshop marginalize the profession to that of production rather than design.
I firmly believe t…[Read more]

]]> 0 920c98e0c0deccad972d2d6374a1c4d3 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Society for Ecological Restoration in the forum STORY BOARD https://land8.com/forums/topic/society-for-ecological-restoration/#post-154421 Mon, 05 Aug 2013 15:01:43 +0000 Yeah, I’ll be in the W.F. Baird booth, but also giving a short presentation.

I’ve never been to the conference, but if the current list of symposia and workshops is any indication, it will be an excellent experience!

]]> 0 f97e57391fe93c73c994bb612dca1b68 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Society for Ecological Restoration in the forum STORY BOARD https://land8.com/forums/topic/society-for-ecological-restoration/#post-154423 Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:23:51 +0000 I’ll be there, stop in and say hi!

]]> 0 8630b93cf4e524799f25c5abe509edf8 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Made the break in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION http://land8.com/forums/topic/made-the-break/#post-154934 Tue, 04 Jun 2013 13:44:32 +0000 Congratulations Andrew!

]]> 0 0635341c96db5f4ebcca8694a24e7a39 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Crickets in the Lounge? in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION http://land8.com/forums/topic/crickets-in-the-lounge/#post-155174 Mon, 22 Apr 2013 18:17:27 +0000 I’ll bite.  There are three reasons I personally haven’t been very active in the lounge lately:
Work has been busy.  This is a good thing.  Stateside we’ve had numerous projects funded by the Great Lakes Restoration Initiative.  Low water levels are unfortunately wreaking havoc on shipping and recreation.  Likewise with flooding.  Despite the b…[Read more]

]]> 0 20af82f298738e759cfdaaeeaee6ad2b Ben Yahr replied to the topic Riverwalk design in the forum SUSTAINABILITY & DESIGN https://land8.com/forums/topic/riverwalk-design/#post-155688 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:21:50 +0000 Ice forces are quite amazing.  I would suggest that you will probably need specialized engineering to ensure the longevity of your installation.
Check out Harriet Island in St. Paul.  In addition to ice, the design reacts to huge fluctuations in water level.

http://www.aerial-xp.com/vr_flash/st_paul_riverfront/node_d.html

]]> 0 73fb07abad1adfb39fdb44d5910a4e3d Ben Yahr replied to the topic CLARB Council Record: Priceless or worthless? in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/clarb-council-record-priceless-or-worthless/#post-157700 Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:07:40 +0000 Worthless. 
I began my council record a year and a half ago in an attempt to expedite the reciprocal license process.  Despite paying the initial fee and one year’s renewal, my record is not yet complete.
The council record requires verification of all the things you would need to apply for a license (education, employment, LARE, and r…[Read more]

]]> 0 b0a91191f960cb956bf164554c536eda Ben Yahr replied to the topic Rioting in London/Urban living conditions in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/rioting-in-londonurban-living-conditions/page/2/#post-161025 Thu, 11 Aug 2011 19:36:05 +0000 Seriously Jason, turn off Fox News.  There have been no riots in Wisconsin come even close to fitting your “pattern”.
 
I’m also a bit confused by the original post: Sure, if you were to relocate people with few prospects for jobs or future prosperity from dense urban cores to the suburbs, that would indeed reduce the prospects of riots similar t…[Read more]

]]> 0 8802bbd7b87d5c11085757e25cc6070c Ben Yahr replied to the topic Completely ridiculous in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/completely-ridiculous/#post-161633 Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:26:35 +0000 That is indeed ridiculous.  A great reminder that we should be designing for people, not for cars.

]]> 0 223655cc408f161581237030f73534a7 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Off Topic...sort of...Walker knows how to hit a bee's nest. in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/off-topic-sort-of-walker-knows-how-to-hit-a-bees-nest/#post-164316 Wed, 20 Apr 2011 13:34:33 +0000 Another example of spouting off talking points that are factually incorrect.
 
In Wisconsin, public employees that hold at least a four year degree earn 25% less than similarly qualified private sector employees.
 
http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/6759/

]]> 0 16ea5d8db313c97d05b64e56a9c87bfc Ben Yahr replied to the topic Off Topic...sort of...Walker knows how to hit a bee's nest. in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/off-topic-sort-of-walker-knows-how-to-hit-a-bees-nest/#post-164327 Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:25:41 +0000 Back on topic- an interesting comment from an interesting article on impending “Financial Martial Law”:
Article:
http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/04/16/gov-scott-walker-repor…
Comment:
This is all about privatizing the public sector. Standard operating procedure for crony capitalists and oligarchies. But really this has been going on in…[Read more]

]]> 0 824ae062e5006f78e72c0a28ce60db1d Ben Yahr replied to the topic Off Topic...sort of...Walker knows how to hit a bee's nest. in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/off-topic-sort-of-walker-knows-how-to-hit-a-bees-nest/page/2/#post-164339 Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:52:55 +0000 So I take it you support this scenario?
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/madisonworld-a-future-whe_b_834381.html

]]> 0 e5ee649caf1e9c471faa5e84c8d13aed Ben Yahr replied to the topic Off Topic...sort of...Walker knows how to hit a bee's nest. in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/off-topic-sort-of-walker-knows-how-to-hit-a-bees-nest/page/3/#post-164348 Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:48:31 +0000 As a Madison resident, my main comment is that it is absolutely mind boggling how poorly this situation has been reported.  Not that I ever had much faith in main stream media, but if the events of the last three weeks are any indication of quality of journalism these days, perhaps 5% of every soundbite and “investigative report” you experience…[Read more]

]]> 0 c0567b8599c929a746b2c1277ca23fd3 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Information Overload in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/information-overload/#post-164867 Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:55:38 +0000 New title, same argument eh?
 
What happened to positivity?

]]> 0 6001ea895416ef82fa1b582b3346cb1d Ben Yahr replied to the topic 2010 Success Stories in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/2010-success-stories/#post-165651 Fri, 14 Jan 2011 19:43:18 +0000 I didn’t mean for the thread to sound pretentious or self serving in any way.  It just seems important to remember once and awhile that the world and the profession is not all doom, gloom, and servitude toward developers.

]]> 0 3f5cd728d9e86f96e7870d188483cdda Ben Yahr replied to the topic 2010 Success Stories in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/2010-success-stories/#post-165655 Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:54:34 +0000 Worldwide, though primarily in the Great Lakes region.  And being a small niche firm is key.
 
Essentially all of the projects listed above came online in the last two years, ie not backlog from before 2008.

]]> 0 edcf64ea0b5a3ff6cf5db1afce720f9f Ben Yahr replied to the topic No need for streetlights in the future because our trees WILL be streetlights? in the forum SUSTAINABILITY & DESIGN https://land8.com/forums/topic/no-need-for-streetlights-in-the-future-because-our-trees-will-be-streetlights/page/2/#post-166916 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 14:37:24 +0000 Gold is currently used in nearly all electric devices.

]]> 0 ef992bdf2f3f64f25bf1db77f7c58ab8 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Best Sites... in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/best-sites/#post-166944 Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:29:09 +0000 http://www.infrastructurist.com/
http://www.energybulletin.net/
http://dirt.asla.org/

]]> 0 cc5fdab1d62258bece4c91537ebddd66 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Short interview....big topic; "Have we designed our way to disaster?" in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION http://land8.com/forums/topic/short-interview-big-topic-have-we-designed-our-way-to-disaster/#post-167120 Mon, 01 Nov 2010 20:43:41 +0000 Nice little article, and much easier to get through than “Collapse”…

The readers also had some good points, especially about streetcars.

One point that wasn’t very clear was the difference between complexity and diversity. It would be better to address many of these issues by enabling a variety of choices and options rather than designing…[Read more]

]]> 0 e7dfbddbd12b8f9adfbfea1676af6daa Ben Yahr replied to the topic The Suburbs that bad? in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/the-suburbs-that-bad/#post-167409 Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:19:06 +0000 Eastern suburbia does not resemble western suburbia. I think it is much more pleasant. The roads are windy, the terrain is varied, and there is no grid outside of a downtown mini-urban core. Its like being rural with houses in the woods and usually particular roads that are strips of strip malls, box stores, and fast food, but the rest of it is…[Read more]

]]> 0 9821e2b984df8d006a5757d7d9ea60d1 Ben Yahr replied to the topic The Suburbs that bad? in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/the-suburbs-that-bad/page/2/#post-167421 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:47:04 +0000 “Greatest misallocation of resources in the history of the world” -The ever pessimistic James Howard Kunstler

]]> 0 42aaff38b92c94d764de840a5c5ea787 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Is the future really "green"? in the forum SUSTAINABILITY & DESIGN https://land8.com/forums/topic/is-the-future-really-green/page/2/#post-167465 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 17:09:15 +0000 The underlying point here (in case it wasn’t obvious) is that the subsidies and economic drivers of the “green economy” are a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the factors that are propping up the traditional economy.

Take high speed rail as an example. If the teabaggers don’t block it, as much as $8,000,000,000 could be spent upgrading and…[Read more]

]]> 0 b6a202628c50312b299e57108a89e174 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Is the future really "green"? in the forum SUSTAINABILITY & DESIGN http://land8.com/forums/topic/is-the-future-really-green/page/2/#post-167468 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:07:54 +0000 If it happened quickly, it would affect us by collapsing out entire way of life. If gas were truly $15 (1998 dollars as the article poses as a high guess), commerce would screech to a halt. There would be demand for better designed communities, but there would be no funding to build them.

That’s why it’s important to find alternatives to an oil…[Read more]

]]> 0 c12b4b991873a0430caa09174ded0ad4 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Is the future really "green"? in the forum SUSTAINABILITY & DESIGN https://land8.com/forums/topic/is-the-future-really-green/page/3/#post-167471 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:54:21 +0000 This article clearly explains many of the factors that are not accounted for in the apparent price of gasoline-
http://www.icta.org/doc/Real%20Price%20of%20Gasoline.pdf

Ironically, it’s from 1998, when gas was around $1.00 a gallon.

So yes, we truly are paying the real price of oil, but it is though taxes and government debt rather than at the pump.

]]> 0 105c0e66ddde0e84932bd803f4b7fb47 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Who deserves jobs? in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/who-deserves-jobs/page/4/#post-167547 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:54:11 +0000 I’d add to your list
-Maintenance and improvements to water infrastructure.
-Revise energy policy.

]]> 0 738c4f4587703a584883b36cd5a2fa09 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Is the future really "green"? in the forum SUSTAINABILITY & DESIGN https://land8.com/forums/topic/is-the-future-really-green/page/3/#post-167478 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:36:27 +0000 So if you believe that the quote green economy is going to crash and burn, where do you think the “E”conomy is going to go?

This seems like a typical cynical analysis of any possible variation from the status quo. People hate change, and it is far easier to find fault in a new idea than to recognize problems with the old ways of doing…[Read more]

]]> 0 901db3bef06292d479e351b5022bd3bb Ben Yahr replied to the topic Who deserves jobs? in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/who-deserves-jobs/page/5/#post-167560 Tue, 05 Oct 2010 22:01:31 +0000 Can you point me towards some actual data that would indicate lower taxes would actually help anything? I’m not being argumentative, it just seems to me that the reason jobs are overseas is because ‘consumers’ can consume products produced overseas for significantly less than products made in the USA due to labor costs.

Out of the whole cost of…[Read more]

]]> 0 0a4aa568625e2e2a415d2b38f7730f18 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Imagery Resources in the forum TECHNOLOGY https://land8.com/forums/topic/imagery-resources/#post-167675 Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:46:22 +0000 Thanks for the replies folks. I was on vacation last week, and unfortunately didn’t get to read the reply from the Pictometry representative before it was deleted.

The representative that I talked to said that Pictometry covers 80% of the U.S. population, which is certainly not as impressive as covering 80% of the U.S…

That, along with the…[Read more]

]]> 0 4df66c2fb48f3c499aa9fbf0f5a9b38c Ben Yahr replied to the topic Communication in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/communication/#post-168179 Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:04:12 +0000 That is why I often take controversial stands on issues that are hard to describe. Sometimes it is like pulling teeth to get me to make my point clear it seems.

This seems quite dishonest and childish. So you feel the need to have the last word in every discussion, and convince people that you are right, even on issues that you don’t necessarily…[Read more]

]]> 0 6c0663f0753e82f024769d8be68a5a76 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Politics and Professional Practice - keep it to yourself or wear your heart on your sleeve? in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/politics-and-professional-practice-keep-it-to-yourself-or-wear-your-heart-on-your-sleeve/#post-168334 Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:30:58 +0000 On one hand it would be good to be able to have sensible conversations about topics that truly do affect our daily lives, our collective future, and the profession’s ability to thrive, but on the other hand, it seems that very few people are interested in changing their viewpoints; or even engaging (listening to the other side) in…[Read more]

]]> 0 f3468093c6f349ea2be3e9998e16f376 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Independence Day in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/independence-day/#post-168907 Tue, 06 Jul 2010 20:08:11 +0000 Along the lines of the principals set forth by the founding fathers, it is extremely important to have a solid understanding of the issues and the facts. We can’t all be petroleum geologists, but we also can’t believe everything we hear on our favorite media outlet. Start by understanding the quantity of oil that we currently use for gasoline-…[Read more]

]]> 0 84613b17a0a6e949b3542f9d93a1cf77 Ben Yahr replied to the topic is a seat wall as good as a bench (or better?) in the forum DETAILS & MATERIALS https://land8.com/forums/topic/is-a-seat-wall-as-good-as-a-bench-or-better/#post-169710 Wed, 12 May 2010 18:33:08 +0000 I would definitely prefer a bench, primarily because it has a back, but there are ways to make seatwalls more appealing and functional-

]]> 0 5f013efa5c8c79dfae9d4a5d033c9b41 Ben Yahr replied to the topic IS anybody Happy? in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/is-anybody-happy/page/3/#post-169775 Mon, 10 May 2010 21:56:20 +0000 I’m happy, I love the profession. I like my job, the projects, and generally the clients.

However, I am concerned about future prospects, and believe that to be on the forefront of the profession and adequately poised for future options, it is important to understand and discuss both the good and the bad…

]]> 0 6810d891ee09d8c0777077872a8e9188 Ben Yahr replied to the topic State of the Profession in the forum PROFESSIONAL PRACTICE https://land8.com/forums/topic/state-of-the-profession/page/6/#post-170086 Mon, 26 Apr 2010 15:01:55 +0000 Statistics are a measure of the past. If landscape architects accept the simplistic view that they are servants to developers, and cling to the mantra that more development is good just so that more people can work- the “state if the profession” is screwed.

Move on. Advocate, research, explore, discuss, find new niches, specialties, efficiencies,…[Read more]

]]> 0 e9cac3296f7bc4ae02b5573dd6da6ecb Ben Yahr replied to the topic What publications do you read? in the forum EDUCATION https://land8.com/forums/topic/what-publications-do-you-read/#post-170177 Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:48:15 +0000 ‘Stormwater’ Journal. Free, or available online.
http://www.stormh2o.com/

]]> 0 20c00767e03cfddcc9cd18424de157ce Ben Yahr replied to the topic Requiem for Detroit in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/requiem-for-detroit/#post-170445 Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:52:35 +0000 it was interesting taking a look at the city in google earth, including the panaramio images. looks fine.
but a tour around in google streetview is eye opening.

the city masterplan is interesting, not especially earth…[Read more]

]]> 0 10632e2d43181ef10f5178eaf70369f6 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Requiem for Detroit in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/requiem-for-detroit/#post-170450 Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:10:47 +0000 that was a pretty powerful movie. thanks for sharing the link.

i’d like to help out.

]]> 0 dede696d85d1de74605c0095a045eca4 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Are you working or not ? in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/are-you-working-or-not/page/7/#post-171094 Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:19:40 +0000 Yes.

Seems that things are moving quicker than usual- unfortunately often in a negative manner. Projects and leads evaporate overnight. But folks are optimistic, and the consensus here seems to be that things are improving.

]]> 0 887c2b4333b13a404bba0ce0ca9aeb5a Ben Yahr replied to the topic Illustrator vs. Photoshop for Rendering Plans in the forum TECHNOLOGY https://land8.com/forums/topic/illustrator-vs-photoshop-for-rendering-plans/page/3/#post-171398 Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:52:12 +0000 Yup, I was “encouraged” to render that way when I started (draw a big thick line around a tree- it kind of looks like a drop shadow).

In my opinion, you can render a plan in a million different ways and have it turn out about the same, but what makes a plan good is the annotation. Notes have to be readable but not distracting, things should line…[Read more]

]]> 0 f9b56ad0554d01f397648b0f4ea71938 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Grass is no longer green solution in the forum SUSTAINABILITY & DESIGN https://land8.com/forums/topic/grass-is-no-longer-green-solution/#post-171364 Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:33:09 +0000 I think the tone of the article, and especially the graphic, is a little misleading. An 80/20% allocation of turf is certainly sufficient. This is not requiring people to dig up all of their lawn except for a 500 sf square. And if 500 sf fits 8 Mini Coopers, how many Expeditions could fit?

You could do some really neat stuff with 500 sf of lawn…[Read more]

]]> 0 be2c99ef9542ee7309d9eb64faa6cd62 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Illustrator vs. Photoshop for Rendering Plans in the forum TECHNOLOGY https://land8.com/forums/topic/illustrator-vs-photoshop-for-rendering-plans/page/3/#post-171401 Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:14:53 +0000 I also agree that it is unwise to limit employees to a single program.

Nearly all of my planviews are either composed 100% in Autocad or a combination of Autocad and hand rendering. Just today I was required to render a plan in Photoshop. It’s a pain, but the result is good- until you have to go back to edit it! If only Autocad had transparency…[Read more]

]]> 0 dedb4077866a3d22b4dfb6eae7c1a648 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Why Do You Hate New Urbanism? in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/why-do-you-hate-new-urbanism/page/4/#post-171670 Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:12:00 +0000 Seems we are back to the age old argument that someone WILL be designing new housing, so it might as well be us- which makes sense. This also gets back to choice and variety- some people are set on living in the ‘burbs, some prefer dense urban areas. Ideally we can help provide well though out options for both, and ideally the American mindset…[Read more]

]]> 0 0c23a70c2e0d3151bfad91c65f7bef1b Ben Yahr replied to the topic Why Do You Hate New Urbanism? in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/why-do-you-hate-new-urbanism/page/4/#post-171673 Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:06:40 +0000 After brushing up on the principles of new urbanism (http://www.newurbanism.org/), its tough to hate the concepts.

My problem is with TNDs that pop up as greenfield development taking funding, density, and emphasis away from true urban centers. Most of these new developments are on the periphery of an existing city so residents still end up…[Read more]

]]> 0 b9d3d2e1c2c68db67f44f5375315d6dd Ben Yahr replied to the topic Sound off on Copenhagen! in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/sound-off-on-copenhagen/#post-172071 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:06:31 +0000 Treehugger- brought to you by the Discovery Networks, proud of such environmentally conscious shows as Ice Road Truckers, The Deadliest Catch, and Ax Men…

]]> 0 0c0e47e8ebc88ff68acc9022110ffa61 Ben Yahr replied to the topic ASLA Climate Change Statement in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/asla-climate-change-statement/#post-171965 Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:15:48 +0000 Despite the constant stream of criticism that ASLA receives, they tend to at least say the right things…

]]> 0 2196e87a00382657ef875c02827d3925 Ben Yahr replied to the topic Sound off on Copenhagen! in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/sound-off-on-copenhagen/#post-172075 Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:46:54 +0000 Good point Trace, I agree that some progress is better than no progress (by definition…)

John Michael Greer addressed this topic just yesterday, with a different conclusion:
http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2009/12/human-ecology-of-col…

]]> 0 d554914036e36aacc2a1d2c8f0b3883a Ben Yahr replied to the topic Sound off on Copenhagen! in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/sound-off-on-copenhagen/#post-172079 Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:15:35 +0000 Well said on both counts Mike.

Yup, if Mars (or the Moon) doesn’t pan out, I plan to float aimlessly on the high seas in my cedar canoe- which is actually eastern red cedar, western red cedar, ash, walnut, cherry, basswood, fiberglass, and a lot of epoxy- a petroleum product;)

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