Land8 | Christopher Patzke | Activity https://land8.com/members/christopherpatzke/activity/ Activity feed for Christopher Patzke. Wed, 08 Apr 2026 15:17:23 +0000 https://buddypress.org/?v=6.0.0 en-US 30 hourly 2 3024b12d1fb525455486e563129ed3f6 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic What's The Best Fireworks You Seen? in the forum PLACES & SPACES https://land8.com/forums/topic/whats-the-best-fireworks-you-seen/#post-161658 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:28:29 +0000 Another display of note are the fireworks/fountains at Longwood Gardens in Kennett Square, PA.

]]> 0 5ef2d0b13e5db24c81b6858a080831a9 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic What's The Best Fireworks You Seen? in the forum PLACES & SPACES https://land8.com/forums/topic/whats-the-best-fireworks-you-seen/#post-161659 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:27:29 +0000 One charming fireworks tradition takes place in Montreal.  On Friday evenings in the summer one country will present a fireworks display as part of the Montreal International Fireworks Competition.  The streets are full of people (both tourists and locals) and there is always a friendly atmoshpere in the air.  It’s a wonderfully civilized way of…[Read more]

]]> 0 44884f76a9f4440e917680ae54256cc8 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic I love the smell of hipocracy in the morning in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/i-love-the-smell-of-hipocracy-in-the-morning/#post-163627 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:18:41 +0000 I thought this was a thread about alternative governments led by hippopotamuses ; )

]]> 0 26838b5b5fdf5436bfb07ab15e4f8387 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic I need some advice about the working environment in the forum PROFESSIONAL PRACTICE https://land8.com/forums/topic/i-need-some-advice-about-the-working-environment/#post-159476 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:14:59 +0000 Thomas I really feel for you.  I have encountered the same experience (from one degree to another) at every firm I have worked in since graduating graduate school 12 years ago.  With that said I commend Brett Long for his perspective and advice.  One thing I would add is to try to be aware when a comment or an unacceptable tone is not “about…[Read more]

]]> 0 69182fbdfce576a6a8ec06aef93a62c7 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Where are Obama's Green Jobs? in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/where-are-obamas-green-jobs/page/6/#post-162000 Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:02:57 +0000 While on a blind date with LGBT civil rights and another couple – ending the wars and improving America’s reputation on the international stage.  It’s going delightfully I hear.

]]> 0 1698e4d943278173a7c9283f19c712d8 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Where are Obama's Green Jobs? in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION http://land8.com/forums/topic/where-are-obamas-green-jobs/page/7/#post-162007 Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:47:26 +0000 They are visiting the unicorn exhibit at the petting zoo.

]]> 0 a4aad2ee7cbeda8d7171bd8b75136f31 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic File Under - NASTY in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/file-under-nasty/#post-162362 Fri, 10 Jun 2011 17:44:12 +0000 I don’t think it’s naivity at all really.

]]> 0 68dbb8eb589d53d75c3afe20d326aa58 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic File Under - NASTY in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/file-under-nasty/page/2/#post-162365 Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:31:35 +0000 When Central Park was originally conceived it was designed for all social classes and FLO’s writings confirm this design intention.  The whole parks movement in the US is based on class conciousness and a desire to uplift all members of a community.
 
Design intention and end use are two different stories though as my original response to this t…[Read more]

]]> 0 d8326dc9338aa87dcb973f85cccabbd0 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic File Under - NASTY in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/file-under-nasty/page/2/#post-162368 Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:38:53 +0000 I would seriously review precedents that incorporate all social classes.  Central Park is a good start.

]]> 0 bc7d6d9a63b38f94f0f9504073ff4d6f Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Typical drawing production hours CAD & hand drawn in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/typical-drawing-production-hours-cad-hand-drawn/page/2/#post-162281 Fri, 10 Jun 2011 11:39:42 +0000 Great response!  I think one of the challenges in th profession right now is the technical generation chasm.  As a broad generalization based on experience, the more experienced generation does not know how to work with AutoCAD and does not understand the challenges of using AutoCAD and the younger generation does not think/design in the same w…[Read more]

]]> 0 28553446f0b048b0e15d7340b7149b8f Christopher Patzke replied to the topic File Under - NASTY in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/file-under-nasty/page/2/#post-162370 Fri, 10 Jun 2011 11:24:13 +0000 ^ LIKE

]]> 0 a2ee593c1d92029531180e6bbcd32d73 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Victorian Fencing in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/victorian-fencing/#post-162300 Thu, 09 Jun 2011 15:10:42 +0000 Original pattern books can be hard to find, and few, if any, are reprinted.  When I was the Curator of Landscapes at the Society for the Preservation of New England Antiquities I had access to the organizations archives.  It made my job a lot easier.  If I were you, I would inquire at local historic preservation organizations.  Search for both pho…[Read more]

]]> 0 a6144ad64ffe1f8d20221b1d5723e484 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Victorian Fencing in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/victorian-fencing/page/2/#post-162302 Thu, 09 Jun 2011 14:31:09 +0000 Here’s an image from my portfolio.  The project was the restoration of a carpenter gothic parterre garden designed using AJ Downing’s principles – Roseland Cottage Woodstock, CT.  The fence is casual for the Victorian age and may fit your application.  Downing’s treatises could be a good resource for you.  I also believe there are several patt…[Read more]

]]> 0 43e49ea6820c3deb167917619a349b41 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic File Under - NASTY in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION http://land8.com/forums/topic/file-under-nasty/page/2/#post-162376 Wed, 08 Jun 2011 18:57:16 +0000 I suggest reading Holy Shit: Managing Manure To Save Mankind and I hope you never end up homeless.

]]> 0 b1dc5861586a5bfd1a59185900f17e8f Christopher Patzke replied to the topic File Under - NASTY in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION http://land8.com/forums/topic/file-under-nasty/page/2/#post-162378 Wed, 08 Jun 2011 15:39:59 +0000 Do you mean plants?
…in that respect the plaza appears totally barren.  It’s a shame because I used to be in that plaza quite often.  While the previous design seemed seperated from it’s context yet softened by plants, the current design seems cold and off-putting.

]]> 0 cb4e6f899d33b42ecfb0edda70c67598 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic File Under - NASTY in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION http://land8.com/forums/topic/file-under-nasty/page/3/#post-162381 Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:32:39 +0000 After looking at some additional images of the landscape in question, I wonder if using the fountain as a toilet was just a criticism by an end user.  The landscape is mind-numbingly uninspired.

]]> 0 e08ef99a1fff7b772138d4eb1297bc2a Christopher Patzke replied to the topic File Under - NASTY in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION http://land8.com/forums/topic/file-under-nasty/page/3/#post-162382 Wed, 08 Jun 2011 12:58:58 +0000 Reminds me of a paper I did in grad school about suvbversive uses of the landscape.  One point I argued is that a designer can never know, or plan for, all the end users of a work of landscape design.  At the time I was exploring gender politics as they specifically relate to gay men.  UVA had a colloquium series on queer studies, Aaron Betsky ha…[Read more]

]]> 0 d237c9e539a674aeeca5306caa41002a Christopher Patzke replied to the topic What To Call Yourself or I Like Poking Sleeping Bears with Sticks in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/what-to-call-yourself-or-i-like-poking-sleeping-bears-with-sticks/page/2/#post-162653 Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:02:23 +0000 There is no specific license for landscape contractors in Massachusetts.  You are correct, however, accessible egress steps (for instance) must be installed by a mason who is a licensed Construction Supervisor in the Commonwealth.  In short, any construction that impacts “health, safety and welfare” must be performed by a licensed (in one form or…[Read more]

]]> 0 7c8e21e78651699190c7d71ff0a49b19 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic What To Call Yourself or I Like Poking Sleeping Bears with Sticks in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/what-to-call-yourself-or-i-like-poking-sleeping-bears-with-sticks/page/2/#post-162658 Sat, 04 Jun 2011 12:19:01 +0000 I don’t think I have ever worked in a state that does not require contractors to be licensed (DC, CA, and MA)

]]> 0 e51df3f01997831df38c237e2e8100bb Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Master Degree in Landscape Architecture in only 1 year in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/master-degree-in-landscape-architecture-in-only-1-year/#post-162444 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:59:03 +0000 When I was there, the MLA program for a candidate with a BLA (a Path B candidate) was two years long.

]]> 0 ee5b3f07d3f6f94bc90e27296aa67284 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic What can be done to improve the ASLA... in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/what-can-be-done-to-improve-the-asla/#post-162453 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:41:38 +0000 I think there is a value in seeing viceral responses to a topic.  Particularly, when that topic is charged, and particularly when there is the level of frustration the ASLA creates.  ASLA may chose not to engage the discussions but, by their own admission, they “monitor” Land8Lounge.  If they are smart they will listen good and hard to what peop…[Read more]

]]> 0 ff94378d10605c4bb50094d8a9f878a0 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Master Degree in Landscape Architecture in only 1 year in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/master-degree-in-landscape-architecture-in-only-1-year/#post-162446 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:01:51 +0000 Nope…no BLA.  Oh…and if an MLA candidate wants to get a Master’s in Architecture they have to add two years of education.
 
This really got me a bit annoyed when I was there.  I hold a studio based, four year Bachelor’s in Ornamental Horticulture and Environmental Design.  I entered UVA as a Path A student beacuse I did not have a BLA and spe…[Read more]

]]> 0 300c51f8f3fc33a56826cda352778895 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic ASLA-- Relevant? or Exists only to sustain itself? in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/asla-relevant-or-exists-only-to-sustain-itself/#post-162618 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:36:21 +0000 earthworker<
 
I agree with you sentiments.
BTW-There is an international organization:
http://www.iflaonline.org/

]]> 0 2f626834d72af9279bae1ea4070b1690 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic What can be done to improve the ASLA... in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/what-can-be-done-to-improve-the-asla/#post-162458 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:28:37 +0000 Jason and Tanya,
 
I really appreciate your “get involved” spirit.  I will probably avoid the ASLA, but I’ll definitely consider forming my own group here in Boston.

]]> 0 ad9735553ad1875a2b9e240388ccfaea Christopher Patzke replied to the topic What can be done to improve the ASLA... in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/what-can-be-done-to-improve-the-asla/#post-162462 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 18:11:21 +0000 I don’t believe Terence to be a landscape architect.  I could be wrong in that assumption.  A quick web search seems to indicate that he is a career non-profit staff member.
 
On a different note, if one looks at the Board of Trustees for the ASLA it is decidedly an aged group of people.  There are few young professionals.  This begs the quest…[Read more]

]]> 0 d5dd2fc0c2b8d6bfb340e241aaa95b48 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic What can be done to improve the ASLA... in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/what-can-be-done-to-improve-the-asla/page/2/#post-162463 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:55:16 +0000 Sounds like it really doesn’t matter what people think because membership is steady and the checks are coming in right?
 
Here is more of the correspondence:
Good afternoon Terrance. Thanks for the response.  I am trying to read through the lines of what you have written.  It’s a very politically savy response, but I think it demonstrates why tho…[Read more]

]]> 0 42075b7d933a7ef9a79ee62cf277b5a2 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic What can be done to improve the ASLA... in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/what-can-be-done-to-improve-the-asla/page/2/#post-162464 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 16:00:03 +0000 Here is the response from ASLA:
 
Your note was forwarded to me, and I wanted to take a moment to thank you for your time and interest. We routinely monitor Land8 but don’t think it is effective or even appropriate for ASLA to step into such conversations among members and nonmembers. We are, however, noting the comments, separating fact from fi…[Read more]

]]> 0 f5406125acf917b4f380f875971f4f62 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic What can be done to improve the ASLA... in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/what-can-be-done-to-improve-the-asla/page/2/#post-162465 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 13:54:30 +0000 So I recently e-mailed the executive committee of the ASLA and said “Hey…Land8Lounge has a decent cross section of the profession.  You may want to check it out to get an idea of what landscape architects and designers are saying about the profession and about the ASLA.”  Many of us see ways the ASLA and the profession can be improved.  Many of…[Read more]

]]> 0 be9edca01a5e890884fb85f48dfc3093 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic What if there were no licensure? in the forum PROFESSIONAL PRACTICE https://land8.com/forums/topic/what-if-there-were-no-licensure/#post-162471 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 12:01:01 +0000 Put simply if there were no licensure society would have lower standards of safety and handicap access.  Licensure is meant to ensure health, safety and welfare.  It is not meant to validate ego, confirm artistic design ability or come free with the purchase of a degree.
 
As a side benefit licensure provides our clients with a reasurance that…[Read more]

]]> 0 2312672d7e96c4f160a1783aa27c0108 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Professionals are not Interns in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/professionals-are-not-interns/#post-162480 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 18:22:16 +0000 Jennifer I love your response!  Well written and insightful!  That’s why I loved working with you!
 
Jason, I see your points and understand the idea that it’s just a job title.  On the other hand, I think of the latest discussions about the title Landscape Architect, and I have to think that there is more going on in both discussions than jus…[Read more]

]]> 0 447da3393f303c2ee176f278c4067d52 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Visiting California in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/visiting-california/page/2/#post-162576 Fri, 27 May 2011 12:24:48 +0000 It’s not a landscape but I would not miss the Monteray Aquarium.  The shore bird exhibit is delightful.

]]> 0 cf1bc042945102410e19fff68ab83dfa Christopher Patzke replied to the topic top 10 landscape architecture firms in the US in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/top-10-landscape-architecture-firms-in-the-us/page/2/#post-162601 Thu, 26 May 2011 13:18:55 +0000 Please don’t encourage them…their egos are large enough already.

]]> 0 cf35b9596c7494519d95ef65401ee05e Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Good places to visit in pa in the forum PLACES & SPACES https://land8.com/forums/topic/good-places-to-visit-in-pa/#post-162736 Thu, 26 May 2011 13:16:12 +0000 If you go to Bartrum’s Garden (or if you are interested in the origins of ornamental horticulture in the U.S.) I suggest reading The Brother Gardeners: A Generation of Gentlemen Naturalists and the Birth of an Obsession by Andrea Wulf…delightful read.

]]> 0 e48044f376d45195e42812bdea9dc914 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Good places to visit in pa in the forum PLACES & SPACES https://land8.com/forums/topic/good-places-to-visit-in-pa/#post-162737 Thu, 26 May 2011 13:12:07 +0000 Winterthur is decidedly a spring garden and was designed as such.  Longwood is a year round delight.  I loved the evening garden parties and fireworks.  I am biased though.  I interned at Longwood in undergraduate school.

]]> 0 13ece54cf79bd8c48fccdcacb6579f8d Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Good places to visit in pa in the forum PLACES & SPACES https://land8.com/forums/topic/good-places-to-visit-in-pa/#post-162749 Wed, 25 May 2011 15:44:00 +0000 I would suggest Longwood Gardens in Kennett Square, PA….it’s just west of Philly.

]]> 0 e7821438bff0e216a23a369fcd73bb09 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic What To Call Yourself or I Like Poking Sleeping Bears with Sticks in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/what-to-call-yourself-or-i-like-poking-sleeping-bears-with-sticks/page/4/#post-162692 Wed, 25 May 2011 12:22:45 +0000 Perhaps we need better practice laws and stricter enforcement of practice laws to encourage licensure and secure the profession.  The title arguements have become a bit circular.
 
For the record I believe in the title laws despite being a landscape stylist and not a Landscape Architect [ for the moment…one more exam to pass…grading : ( ]

]]> 0 116df41027192d5f57aadda21d39a4ea Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Is advertising for LA's still considered unethical? in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/is-advertising-for-las-still-considered-unethical/page/3/#post-162791 Tue, 24 May 2011 16:55:08 +0000 Alan this is really an interesting topic.  Three random things pop into my mind:

  • I remember the AIA running TV ads a while back promoting the architecture profession.  While I share your views on the ASLA, I actually think a similar campaign could promote the profession while educating the public.  This way no individual firm feels the burden of…

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]]> 0 e0b355d80fe521c3ee32cca963f62ff1 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Non-RLA's using the title Landscape Architect in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/non-rlas-using-the-title-landscape-architect/page/5/#post-163345 Fri, 20 May 2011 14:12:41 +0000 The City of Boston has a job posting titled “Landscape Designer (Chief Landscape Architect).”  The Commonwealth has title law.  Guess you don’t need to be licensed to be the “Chief Landscape Architect” for the Parks Department of a major metropolitan area.
 
 

]]> 0 b4ac374da3478130246dc9109c2fa4dd Christopher Patzke replied to the topic If you are not a registered LA, why haven't you gotten the stamp? in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/if-you-are-not-a-registered-la-why-havent-you-gotten-the-stamp/#post-162875 Fri, 20 May 2011 11:44:44 +0000 I graduated grad school 12 years ago.  I’ve moved so often (Virginia, DC, SF and now Boston), have taken some non-traditional jobs (architecture general contractor, landscape curator) and have not made enough money at times, that I have not qualified for, or had the money, to sit for the exams.  Last year the company I worked for as an As…[Read more]

]]> 0 c1e6c2073386c34319c28bcff69af7dd Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Non-RLA's using the title Landscape Architect in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/non-rlas-using-the-title-landscape-architect/page/6/#post-163359 Thu, 19 May 2011 19:34:36 +0000 In the end it’s the stamp that really counts.

]]> 0 70f232553d0f4848d6f70b1594f72294 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Non-RLA's using the title Landscape Architect in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/non-rlas-using-the-title-landscape-architect/page/6/#post-163361 Thu, 19 May 2011 17:54:55 +0000 I am calling myself a Landscape Stylist until I complete the exam.  Sadly, people still ask if I trim bushes…LOL

]]> 0 50748f54b119e84903faf216a1d0098f Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Any great tips on the exam - section C in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/any-great-tips-on-the-exam-section-c/#post-162966 Thu, 19 May 2011 17:37:08 +0000 Be sure to review the scale of the drawing and the scale of the components!  When I took this section all of the vignettes except one gave templates for required components at the same scale as the base plan.  One vignette illustrated the required components at a different scale than the plan.  A large majority of those sitting in the exam with m…[Read more]

]]> 0 652e7ad64671bbc327eda1611a8eb149 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Technical Interview in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/technical-interview/#post-162920 Wed, 18 May 2011 15:36:07 +0000 I don’t know if this will help you Jo-Anmarie but I thought I would pass it along.  There is such a thing as a Certified Playground Safety Inspector (CPSI).  Who knew right?!  A useful website for review materials could be this one: http://www.nrpa.org/Content.aspx?id=413 .  It is the website for the National Recreation and Parks Asso…[Read more]

]]> 0 f668068e96f8b45401fa51eacfa014a4 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Internship -5 years experience in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/internship-5-years-experience/#post-162994 Tue, 17 May 2011 01:36:09 +0000 Very diplomatic response.

]]> 0 db6566a27a28dcde5b6996a928c584e0 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Internship -5 years experience in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/internship-5-years-experience/#post-162997 Mon, 16 May 2011 22:22:54 +0000 …and I have never seen a job posting entitled “Three Month Trial Period with Potential for Full Time Work.”  : )
 

]]> 0 c9954fedd66226b92ddfb2fd36603e32 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Internship -5 years experience in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/internship-5-years-experience/#post-162998 Mon, 16 May 2011 22:11:42 +0000 Amy you did not see the original post titled “Summer Internship with Full Time Potential.”  This is the post people are responding to.  The “Summer Position with Full Time Potential” was only posted after I complained and ASLA agreed to take the original post down.  They reposted the position with the words “Summer Position” in lieu of in…[Read more]

]]> 0 521458e151b6cfe482248f76330ea0db Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Internship -5 years experience in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/internship-5-years-experience/#post-163004 Mon, 16 May 2011 15:08:57 +0000 If we don’t advocate for ourselves no one will.  ASLA is supposed to help us but sometimes someone needs to raise their voice. 

]]> 0 4bbe3ac371457a2d5d8c6b8766ff83b7 Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Internship -5 years experience in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/internship-5-years-experience/#post-163005 Mon, 16 May 2011 15:06:25 +0000 Morning Andrew.  I didn’t know you had already posted on this!! 
 
I live in the Boston area and the firm posting the position is a well known, high-end, award winning residential firm.  I know I will never work for Lombardi now but once I saw the posting I immediately contacted the JobLink administrator and the Executive Committee of the ASLA…[Read more]

]]> 0 0287b164c2538ea2897573a032e1eccf Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Are you hiring? in the forum ANNOUNCEMENTS http://land8.com/forums/topic/are-you-hiring/page/2/#post-171785 Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:36:17 +0000 Can we have the old job listings page back?

]]> 0 0583445c93898dcc598e0a1b2a60ae3c Christopher Patzke replied to the topic Union! Union! Union? in the forum GENERAL DISCUSSION https://land8.com/forums/topic/union-union-union/#post-172597 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:57:24 +0000 I don’t understand this question.

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