[ykonwanderer]

Well, she offered me the job, and I didn’t negotiate at all.  Right off the bat I was offered $43k plus benefits.  Sounded good to me (especially after all the responses I got on here).  I would have felt weird/greedy asking for more.

 

This is to all the new grads out there: don’t be scared.  If you think you’re worth something then go for it.  Do your research and don’t let the vat of negativity on this board suck you dry.  Don’t let people scare you into thinking you’re not worth what you’re worth.  

[ykonwanderer]

Thanks a lot Jonathan!  I know that I regularly fall into the “getting timid trap” and I wanted to avoid this this time.

 

Is it better to ask for an offer in writing before we discuss salary?

 

I want to avoid canned “car-salesman” responses to salary questions, any suggestions?  (sorry can’t resist a joke)

[ykonwanderer]

thanks a lot!  some very good links there too!

[ykonwanderer]

I don’t know if this is at all what you mean, but where I worked it was primarily from RFP’s and reputation.

[ykonwanderer]

Danielle: you were “one of them”  lol…

 

(joking here Russell, just joking here)

[ykonwanderer]

Well somewhere on here I told people to come up here to take a job if they think the situation sounds so sweet.  It was sarcasm obviously, but should still be in here somewhere…

[ykonwanderer]

Lol – yes, if we want to cling to the paltriest of semantics while at the same time disregarding my acknowledgement in the above post…

[ykonwanderer]

haha, well I will say that my online persona is substantially more warrior-like than my real-life persona.  But we can head into cyber-battle together anytime!

[ykonwanderer]

I never once said, anywhere, that I think I should get low 50’s.  I asked – once – if 50k was too much to hope for.  

 

I have repeatedly said that I am hoping for mid to low 40’s, which is well within the entry level range I found on those websites.  Keep in mind pay depends much more on where you find the work rather than where you go to school, since Guelph is the *only* English BLA program offered in the country.

 

People have just not been reading properly and have been making assumptions.

[ykonwanderer]

nrschmid: Well call me old fashioned, but I don’t send documents that can identify me over the internet for thousands of people to see, and I certainly don’t send them “privately” to a complete stranger who has really not done anything at all to gain my trust or goodwill.

 

I don’t understand what is so hard about taking what I have said at face value and helping someone out, without me having to send to you “proof”.  

 

This “proof” has no bearing on the situation anyway, because it is all relative to who I am  competing against.  I’m certainly not competing against you, and you certainly have no idea what skills my peers have either.  

 

Finally, if you feel that portfolio pieces are so public, then why don’t we switch this around and you can show me what you can do in GIS, and then I can gauge how your skills compare to mine?

[ykonwanderer]

Hmm…interesting.  Why should I send you examples of my work when you won’t offer the same give and take on here to others?  Sending someone samples of work is infinitely more personal than giving some generic figures.

Does not compute.

 

[ykonwanderer]

That’s one person’s opinion, and her whole blog is pretty much full of doomsday scenarios.  She is a bit of a peak oil “kook”…not terribly reputable and I’m surprised she is being given such a platform on this guys show.  Ok, maybe I’m not surprised considering…

 

Anyway, this is a much better analysis of the US and Canadian housing market: http://research.cibcwm.com/economic_public/download/cwcda-070316.pdf 

 

There are huge differences between the two countries.  We are already experiencing a recession here, the bubble has burst, just not as badly because the bubble was never very big here.

[ykonwanderer]

give it to me then.  *roll eyes*

[ykonwanderer]

But I’m not interviewing here.  I have repeatedly said why I don’t want to show my work to you.  Furthermore, I’m not on here looking for validation for my skills, or looking to prove to you that I know my stuff.  I have been using GIS for 7 years, so what?  I’m not competing with *you* so why do you care how good I am or not?

 

All I ever wanted was some advice on negotiating, and I had hoped people would just take what I said about my own skills at face value, and help me out. 

 

Instead I get these diatribes about how dare I ask for more, or how dare I not even consider taking this job, or how dare I feel confident about my work.

 

Furthermore, I have a current job offer, which I will probably take, and on top of that I am trying to line up a 2nd one, so I don’t see how this is such a horrible situation to be in according to you.

[ykonwanderer]

This is a great idea!  I have never heard of that site until now.

 

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